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GandALF
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:03 pm Reply with quote
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NWOBHM ended, already? Damn Crying or Very sad , I guess I need to enter the modern age and buy a color TV one of these days... Wink

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Vinny Black
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:23 pm Reply with quote
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Feel?! I do not! Feelings are for girls and herbivorous animals.

It's still alive, playing in my head.
I've got a brain like jukebox...

"...and I'm going Aaaxe Craaaaazyyyy!!!"

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Black Axe
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:22 am Reply with quote
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Vinny Black wrote:
Feel?! I do not! Feelings are for girls and herbivorous animals.

It's still alive, playing in my head.
I've got a brain like jukebox...

"...and I'm going Aaaxe Craaaaazyyyy!!!"
Who cares what you think. You can't even feel the music!
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Vinny Black
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:40 am Reply with quote
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Black Axe wrote:
Vinny Black wrote:
Feel?! I do not! Feelings are for girls and herbivorous animals.

It's still alive, playing in my head.
I've got a brain like jukebox...

"...and I'm going Aaaxe Craaaaazyyyy!!!"
Who cares what you think. You can't even feel the music!



You do, obviously.

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Avenger
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:45 pm Reply with quote
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stormspell wrote:
NWOBHM ended, already? Damn Crying or Very sad , I guess I need to enter the modern age and buy a color TV one of these days... Wink


Laughing

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DTP
Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:22 pm Reply with quote
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I say 1984 because speed/thrash was starting to emerge. It began before '84 but more bands started forming with that style. N.W.O.B.H.M. paved the way for spped/thrash (well, most bands did).
i agree w/ this; some bands were starting to merge the two together by then (e.g. 'flight of the griffin')

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Avenger
Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:28 pm Reply with quote
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DTP wrote:
Metal Dan wrote:
I say 1984 because speed/thrash was starting to emerge. It began before '84 but more bands started forming with that style. N.W.O.B.H.M. paved the way for spped/thrash (well, most bands did).
i agree w/ this; some bands were starting to merge the two together by then (e.g. 'flight of the griffin')


Griffin is an american band.

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DTP
Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:51 pm Reply with quote
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true, but their music is very influenced by NWOBHM, imo...i still laugh at the singer's fake british accent during the opening track Laughing

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Avenger
Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 2:06 am Reply with quote
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1978-1982 gets my vote. 5 years is long enough and stylistically many of the early bands and the ones just starting were becoming more aggressive and dropping the bluesy Hard Rock sound.

The only problem I can find with this is that a scene isn't just determined by a specific sound and "NWOBHM" isn't an actual sub-genre. Bands like Venom weren't comprised of the same formula.

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lynx
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:36 pm Reply with quote
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I would say 1986 because there were still albums which came out in that style in 1986, in some cases debut albums by bands which had been around for years.

releases 1986:
http://www.metal-archives.com/search/advanced/searching/albums?bandName=&releaseTitle=&releaseYearFrom=1986&releaseMonthFrom=&releaseYearTo=1986&releaseMonthTo=&country=&location=&releaseLabelName=&genre=nwobhm#albums
although some albums may not qualify as NWOBHM soundwise (for example the Iron Maiden stuff) there are also NWOBHM albums from 1986 not on that list (like War Machine's only album).
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Avenger
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:20 pm Reply with quote
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lynx wrote:
I would say 1986 because there were still albums which came out in that style in 1986, in some cases debut albums by bands which had been around for years.

releases 1986:
http://www.metal-archives.com/search/advanced/searching/albums?bandName=&releaseTitle=&releaseYearFrom=1986&releaseMonthFrom=&releaseYearTo=1986&releaseMonthTo=&country=&location=&releaseLabelName=&genre=nwobhm#albums
although some albums may not qualify as NWOBHM soundwise (for example the Iron Maiden stuff) there are also NWOBHM albums from 1986 not on that list (like War Machine's only album).


Just because a band was formed in 1978 for example and didn't put out a debut album until 1986 doesn't mean that the album in question or the scene ended the year of that bands first release. This would simply indicate that the band in question was either behind the times or simply had bad luck in getting their material out on time when it was still "relevant" to what was new at that point. The band itself is a NWOBHM band but the album that came out in 1986 is not a NWOBHM album.

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daniel
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:29 pm Reply with quote
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Not sure what to think of that, couldn't say it ended as soon as '82, that's too extreme... Perhaps '84 though I also think the last year for such records was 1986. Not much buying the argument above as to why the scene was gone by then.

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Avenger
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 4:30 am Reply with quote
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daniel wrote:
Not sure what to think of that, couldn't say it ended as soon as '82, that's too extreme... Perhaps '84 though I also think the last year for such records was 1986. Not much buying the argument above as to why the scene was gone by then.


Well by '86 there was already a ton of Thrash albums released. This indicating that the scene covering that specfic sound had ended because the genre had already evolved.

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Black Axe
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:24 pm Reply with quote
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Avenger wrote:
daniel wrote:
Not sure what to think of that, couldn't say it ended as soon as '82, that's too extreme... Perhaps '84 though I also think the last year for such records was 1986. Not much buying the argument above as to why the scene was gone by then.


Well by '86 there was already a ton of Thrash albums released. This indicating that the scene covering that specfic sound had ended because the genre had already evolved.
Besides. By then the new wave was getting quite old. By 1983 it had developed fully formed new genre's, thus indicating a progress in those directions and bands forming inspired by the directions NWOBHM bands had created. 1984 to 1986 British heavy metal releases were just that; regular heavy metal releases.
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